What do you think of the proposal for a parking permit program on in the Carterville Neighborhood?

A few thoughts
• Accept the recommendation that nearby businesses be able to allow overnight parking. The new UCCU on Freedom would be a great spot for students to park. In many cases it would likely be closer for the students, and it would clean up some of the parking in the neighborhood.

• If we are allowed to do the permit, don't charge us a higher rate than other neighborhoods in the city. I see no reason why our neighborhood should pay more than the going rate, which from what I'm reading here seems to be $15. The charge should be a city wide rate, not a neighborhood by neighborhood pricing. I think many in our neighborhood would be in favor of the program if the price matched that of other neighborhoods.

As a side note, repaint the red curbs OR give us the paint and we'll get it done. Most days there are vehicles that park in the red. This is especially concerning on the corner of 300 W and 1625 where the curb used to be red. Most cars stick far too much into the street for someone to make the turn safely.

Why would we consider giving even more jurisdiction to the big-name parking enforcement companies? This would be horrific for the students that get the short end of the stick and are too late to get a parking pass from their complex. Public street parking is a last resort for many students- so what would the alternative be? Walking home from Orem every night? Let's stop catering so much to landowners and help keep Provo belonging to everybody

Parking passes should NOT be required to park on low-traffic city streets. Parking in the neighborhood is already a major inconvenience for the students who have no other options due to limited parking passes allotted per apartment complex. This also brings into question the definition of property. Complexes can charge for parking as they are considered private property. Are the streets in front of houses private property or are they public? Seeing as roads are paid for by taxes, this suggests that they are public, which would arguably make parking permits a double charge. Each of the houses in these neighborhoods have driveways that are private property, giving residents personalized space to park.

As a homeowner on one of the streets in question. I find it wrong with your decision that only 52% of the street is used as parking. If you were to drive down 300 West on a saturdy afternoon without a byu game then you would see that all of the parking spaces are full. Most of the parking is the students that live in the apartment complexes behind our street. We are unable to park in front of our house. My wife And several of the residents in this neighbourhood are disabled or elderly. Therefore I would hope that you would re consider your decision or at least have the common courtesy to come and look at our street.

The streets are for everybody. Parking areas do not belong to the residents in the neighborhood. Again, why do people feel entitled to to have only parking for them.

When I originally went to the city I proposed they make our neighborhood resident-only parking from 10 pm to 6 am with no fees. I thought they could make their money on the tickets they gave out like they do in other cities. The city parking specialist at that time told me that they could not consider it without a fee. He was the one to establish a fee. I was told that it was the going rate and it was required to pay for parking monitoring. Also prior to coronavirus when they took the numbers of non-residents parking on 1625 N. we were at 104% capacity. and 300 West was at 70% capacity. The middle part of 300 West having little impact. I have written them many letters explaining many of the things that residents have also laid out in this chat. I have owned a home with an accessory apartment in another part of Provo a few years ago, the city made me provide two off-street spots for my apartment. I believe it is only fair that apartment owners do the same as residents with accessory apartments. I personally believe that It is not fair to make rules that apply to residents and then not apply them to the apartments or the corporate groups that own them. I understand it is a public street and open to public parking. However if the city wants to maintain a family-friendly neighborhood as they claim, they need to make the streets and neighborhoods they zone as family neighborhoods conducive to families living in them. They need to enforce the laws they have and be equitable for families, students, and apartment groups.

In reality, this is not fair to students either. They come to college and rent a place that does not have adequate parking. If I were a patron of an apartment that I rented I would expect to park my car at the place I reside. The apartment corporations want to charge extra fees for their patrons to park. The students have to park far away from where they live and hope their car is ok. I fear if you follow the money trail you would find that apartment corporations in Provo have far more influence than residents or students. The reality is that parking will probably not change. It will still be unfair to residents and students. The apartment owners which have the biggest monetary influence will win this one again. They will get to make large rents by squishing in students and having students and residents be treated unfairly (but legally as I have been told in my meetings with city representatives) so their profits are not diminished. I am also tired of just being told to move if I don't like it. I see nothing wrong with trying to improve our neighborhood and making it family-friendly like it is zoned.

The Council needs to take the following legislative action recommended by staff: Potential for Shared Parking
"We also surveyed parking lots around office, hotel, retail, and restaurant buildings to the north and east of the proposed permit area. More than 90% of those few hundred parking spaces sit empty at night—a time of peak demand for student parking. There is significant potential for shared parking between these student housing complexes and neighboring businesses. Though currently not allowed under Provo City Code 14.37.080 (1) (a), it is an efficient use of space as existing parking spaces get more use and prevent the need to build more. Shared parking on separate parcels is currently allowed for commercial properties but not residential.
To make this possible, Council would first need to amend code 14.37.080 (1) (a) to make shared parking possible for residential properties. That would allow property managers to work out shared parking agreements amongst themselves and maximize use of existing parking assets. Staff supports this action."

As a home owner with neighbors who require multiple parking places, We have worked peaceable arrangements. I thought it was required for each lot to provide for at least 2 spaces. The apartment complexes should be required to provide the same, free of charge, per person living on their property. My feeling is that enforce their parking provisions, and we won't have such a problem. The tenants will not have to walk so far to get parking. We have had the city come and haul a few cars away that have stayed too long without being used. That has cleared up the problems for that situation. However, I understand when the cars are used and parking on the street is fluid, how frustrating it is to not have room for our own use. I also, understand how difficult it is to navigate the over full streets. The no parking signs on the corners have helped, but also created the spreading of the problem to other areas,--- and longer walks for the tenants. If apartments are to be built, adequate parking must be provided on site - same as for Home Owners. I am not in favor of the permits. If I can't afford them, how can families afford them?

They are called public streets, hence they should be available to the public. If residents want their own parking area, it should be on their own/rented property, or expect to share with the rest of the public. If homes/apartments aren't providing a reasonable parking situation, that should be addressed. If people are abandoning their cars (long term parking) in a public place, there are already laws/ordinances to cover that. If people are being unreasonably loud or their car alarms are sounding off for more than a reasonable time, then there are laws/ordinances against that (just ask anyone who's hosted a loud party and had the cops called on them). If students are not buying parking permits for their own apartment because of the cost, how is charging other people (residents) more money for permits really going to help? It seems like even though the parking situation is frustrating for some/many people, requiring parking permits for parking on public streets seems like it's just adding more problems and wasting more money. Please do not do this. Instead please enforce already existing ordinances and hold property owners responsible for providing sufficient off-street parking for all their tenants and reasonable amount of visitors.

During the summer, only about half the students park in this area, and it makes the neighborhood seem so much more open and friendly. There are 2 issues that the study did not mention: 1) Congestion. This is the main thoroughfare for people that want a quick way to get from 200 W to 500 W, or a back way to Macey's. It is VERY busy. LOTS of cars. Stand outside and count them some time. You won't be disappointed. LOTS of vehicular traffic. Most of them only go on 1625 N, and then turn just after getting on 300 W as they follow the river trail to Macey's or to 500 W. The congestion is dangerous for people parking their cars, and for residents pulling out of the driveway. 2) Noise. When people who don't live in the area leave their cars here, they are often VERY loud with the group of friends that are in the car, and wake up the residents at midnight, or 1 AM. Also, if the car alarm goes off, who is going to turn it off? Not anyone, since they don't live in the area. Who is going to lose sleep? The residents. It is a tough problem, and we can't take any action against the students that park here. They are also just following the laws, and with some of the apartments not providing enough parking, they can park in nearby neighborhoods. A couple of interesting parkers. One guy always rides his scooter to get his car. Some students clean up their cars and work on them in our neighborhood. Two students from a pest control company use this as a drop-off spot for their cars, drive their work trucks, then drop off the work vehicle, and drive their car home. Now that Paul Ream is closer to byu, I've noticed they are starting to park those pest control trucks over there. Ha, ha. Lots of students drop their car off, and another student follows them and gives them a ride back to their apartment. I guess they could live anywhere and use this as a drop off spot. I bet some of you readers would have a better drop off spot with more reliable parking, since ours is so full all the time. You might just advertise it here so students can come and drop off their cars in front of your house.